Comment from: Mike Barrett [Visitor]
I agree... "Light rail transit does not significantly reduce congestion." It will be a supplement to the automobile at much less cost than expanding Interstate I-264. Each of us can make that choice.
08/12/10 @ 07:11
Comment from: French Mackes [Visitor] Email · http://www.votefrench.com
Wally,

Your article is very informative. I learned a lot of helpful information from it. Good work!

Flexible inexpensive buses serving the public is a superior alternative to spending 1/2 a billion to a one billion dollars of TAXPAYERS MONEY on un-needed Beach light rail promoted by corrupt schemers blinded by big $$$$$$$.

Buses are a better choice. However, corrupt developers won't get rich off of buses.

As long as a strong profit incentive exists, corrupt PR representatives will continue to promote un-needed Beach light rail that wastes taxpayer funds unnecessarily to naive people.

French Mackes
www.votefrench.com
Constitution Party of Virginia

08/12/10 @ 12:51
Comment from: Mike Barrett [Visitor]
Yes, busses are a crucial component of a effective public transit system at the Beach. With light rail going east west down the spine of the city, it will be imperative to serve this line, and its connection to passenger rail to Amtrak, via coordinated busses running north south to the neighborhoods. As well, bike trails and hiking trials/sidewalks are important also.

But most important is to redevelop the light industrial real estate into communities along the light rail that combine livable communities with green space and public space. In that way, the real estate tax base will grow, and the environment will be improved as well.
08/12/10 @ 13:54
Comment from: Mike Barrett [Visitor]
Wally, this attempt to set up a strawman, and then knock it down is disingenuous at best, downright misleading at worst. For example, you make up a myth, and then claim to debunk it, when it was, and is, a myth to begin with.

Fact is, light rail will simply be an alternative to the automobile, but most will continue to use their cars in the I-264 corridor. But as you well know, I-264 is nearing its full capacity, and in this corridor we need mobility.

Light rail with inter-connected busses, bikes, and trials is the most cost effective way to provide that added capacity. No need to make up a myth.
08/12/10 @ 15:19
Comment from: Wally [Member] Email
Mike:
I have not created the fallacy to this light rail proponent's position. This myth is clearly stated on the Hampton Roads Transit (HRT) website page Benefits of Light Rail prominently in the first position.

Moreover, recently a Virginia Beach city council candidate, being interviewed by the Tea party, expounded on three separate occasions the position that light rail will reduce traffic congestion.

No Mike, light rail proponent justifications are naturally vulnerable because they lack factual basis hence they are proponent created myths. Straw-man techniques are unnecessary for this debate.
08/12/10 @ 16:02
Comment from: Mike Barrett [Visitor]
Of course Wally, you fail to quote me or them accurately. I and you both said... "Light rail transit does not significantly reduce congestion." That is true. The main advantage of light rail in the I-264 corridor is that it is the low cost alternative to provide added mobility.

If you want to ride the rail, be my guest. If you don't, ride your vehicle on increasingly disfunctional roads. It really is each citizens choice.
08/12/10 @ 19:22
Comment from: Henry Ryto [Visitor]
You can talk about buses all you want. I ride them virtually daily, and plan to later today.

The fact is that Route 20 (Virginia Beach Boulevard) is the busiest bus route in Hampton Roads, carrying over 1.1 million passengers annually. It has extra sections ("Cutbacks") at rush hour to help handle the loads. The problem is that those buses get caught in the stop-and-go traffic on Virginia Beach Blvd. that snags everyone else.

Unless you want to take out a lane each direction as a dedicated bus lane (I can hear Reid screaming), your only alternative is some form of enhanced mass transit down the NS ROW. The AA/SDEIS will give us the answer on what form.
08/14/10 @ 11:11

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